July 09, 2008

The Truth


You want the truth? YOU can't handle the truth!

"Like I said, I won't change your mind, and that's fine. But anyone tallying facts vs invective clearly sees that "Pitman" is an empty, malicious, deceptive, racist rant. And your responses are mindless parroting of Fox News/Karl Rove TPs. Everything I've said, on the other hand, can be verified. Facts are on my side. Reality is my ally because it terrifies conservatives."

The facts according to Barleymash:

Karl Rove sprang from Agent Scully's vagina

9/11 was an inside job by GWB and Ross Perot

Making 100 Million dollars off the religion of Global Warming does not make you a fraud, it makes you a genius!

Making money off the evil oil companies is bad, unless it is Occidental Petroleum

The United Nations is not full of Tin horn dictators, despots and anti-semites

Criminals don't kill people, guns kill people

Guevera, Castro, and Chavez are the real heros

If it is bad for America, it should be celebrated

So what if the Kyoto treaty excludes India and China, they have excellent enviromental records.

Being a Poly Sci major and working at Starbucks is all you need to get the facts right

GWB caused Hurricane Katrina so he could kill black people

If you don't go to college you will end up stuck in Iraq

Hillary Clinton is a cattle futures trading genius

Harry Reid is a land developing Guru

Islam is a race so criticizing it is racist

Listening to a hate America, hate whitey diatribe for twenty years and not being offended makes you a saint not a sinner

Welfare and Social Security are prime examples of how well government works

Billions on education is working, the test scores are getting lower so billions more will solve everything

NPR and PBS are not biased Liberal soapboxes

We are entitled to free health care especially when we we live a deviant or unhealthy lifestyle

Playing D&D in my Masters of the Universe jammies gives me real world experience

and on and on..........................

Posted by BillyBudd at July 9, 2008 05:36 PM | TrackBack

Okay, we've been civil for years, and I've always been respectful of you when we disagree - which is most of the time. But, as you seem to have lost your mind, I feel no choice but to take the gloves off and stop being nice.

Did you forget that I said Barleymash is a personal friend of mine? Now you put words and positions in his mouth which there a few words for - lies... smears.... I'll cut to the chase and say LIBEL.

Posted by: Cary at July 9, 2008 09:36 PM

I'll cut to the chase and say...........Who the Fuck is barleymash and who the fuck cares? He tells me how I think, so I should return the favor. Typical liberal elitist..............

Posted by: Billy Budd at July 10, 2008 06:18 AM

I at least thought you had some decent regard for ME.

My friend did not tell you what to think, he gave you a fact based argument. You retorted with name calling, hyperbole and lies. If it's true that you don't give a fuck about him, then why devote an entire post to him?

Posted by: Cary at July 10, 2008 07:26 AM

Elite means "best." I'm cool with that. "Liberal Elitist" = "The Best at Wanting Liberty!" So you think I'm that important? Wow, Billy, I never knew you cared!

As far as who I am and who the fuck cares, I'm the guy who did so much damage to your right-wing fantasy land that you felt compelled to dedicate a whole POST to me. And you had to make shit up to do it! That is simply awesome.

Billy, nothing makes me happier than scaring the crap out of right-wingers by knocking the legs out from under their rickety arguments. So thank you, Billy Budd. You made my day! (I threw that in there as a gift. You know, guns, bullets, Clint Eastwood, Ronny Reagan and all that.)

And Cary, thanks for riding to my defense, but the "Truth" post is so stupid it's flattering. You can almost hear Billy's lips burbling with bile as he types.

Posted by: Barleymash at July 10, 2008 07:37 AM

Living in your mommy and daddy's basement while you decide whether or not to default on your student loan does not make you worldly.

Posted by: Billy Budd at July 10, 2008 03:35 PM

It sounds like somebody will be reaching for the little blue pills for a few weeks until he can get his testosterone back. Sorry I messed with your mojo, Billy. I saw all those guns and assumed you were made of sterner stuff. But listen — if you feel like actually contesting any of the points I've made, I'll be back. But until then, feel free to wail and gnash impotently. It is, after all, your blog. Spew with it as you will.

Posted by: Barleymash at July 11, 2008 06:44 AM

I learned a long time ago not to argue with those who profess to have all the answers and all the facts.........It is an exercise in futility.

"Whatever is,is right. Through purblind man
Sees but a part o' the chain, the nearest link:
His eyes not carrying to the equal beam,
That poises all above"

Don't worry about your fear of firearms,that stems from an emasculated youth.

Posted by: Billy Budd at July 11, 2008 07:05 AM

And I've only just learned not to engage someone who professes to have answers with no facts or logic at all to back it, but instead attacks the person who challenges them rather than dispute their ideas. This doesn't make you seem more intelligent or informed.

Mr. Budd, I've tried for years to understand where you're coming from and find some common ground. You've clearly have not reciprocated. I'll admit my own foolishness in continuing to come back here. You don't even respond to direct questions about your positions. You're frozen with fear, just the way the leaders on your side like it.

I wish you the best, and hope things work out for you.

Posted by: Cary at July 11, 2008 08:03 AM

Cary, I have no problem with you, this is the second time your friend has come in here, calling me an ignorant redneck and then expects civil dialogue, reread some of the things he stated.
"And your responses are mindless parroting of Fox News/Karl Rove TPs" That type of sophomoric response is designed to get a response.
And he got it. The rest of the United States does not operate like New York, there is a whole nother world out here...........

Posted by: Billy Budd at July 11, 2008 08:23 AM

I dunno, I keep perusing that post and I continue to see something entirely different than what you do.

I see a fair rebuttal to your post, and absolutely no attack on you personally within that rebuttal. He does point out the ignorance of the fraudulent writer, who poses as a military service to get his flawed points across (in itself shameful), but mostly deflates the actual issues raised in the post. Your reply? "...you should move to Canada, your Hate America schtick is getting old.", and other such personal attacks, even when I personally vouch for him. Dude, where do you think a discussion like that will take us? I mean, you never addressed a single point raised or answered a question as to how you reached your conclusions, you ignored all of them, even the ones from me.

Perhaps I'm to blame here. I referred my friend to your blog, hoping for some substantive discourse, and neglected to tell you beforehand, so you'd be prepared. But it was you who once advised me to be ready to accept and face challenges to my own ideas on my blog. I'm sorry I didn't realize that didn't apply here.

And yes, I may live in NY, but I've been all over this country. I traveled, on the road, for more than five years and have been to the small towns, large cities, ... everywhere .. in all but four states. I know exactly what my country consist of. That's why I love it.

So, unless there's something to actually talk about here, I'm just gonna move on.

Good luck.

Posted by: Cary at July 11, 2008 09:45 AM

Cary it has been my observation that most liberals and Democrats lead unhappy lives. I am afraid my parody of your friend hit too close to home, so since I won't play by your rules, you take your ball and go home. The decline and fall of this country is because of too much government and too little common sense. The values that made us great have been washed away by political correctness and the desire not to offend anyone. When you try to please everyone, you please no one.

Posted by: Billy Budd at July 11, 2008 10:42 AM

If the game is being played with no rules, or outright not being played by both teams at all - yes, I go home. You can keep the ball.

I'll try one last time...

What American values, exactly in you your opinion, have been washed away by the liberal mindset?

I'm hoping for a direct answer.

Posted by: Cary at July 11, 2008 10:55 AM

Personal Responsibilty
Business ethics
Religion vilified
Fiscal Responsibilty
Family Values
Public education
Pride in Country
Respect of property
Respect of Armed forces
Respect of flag
Higher education is no longer a diverse arena of ideas
that is just off the top of my head......

Posted by: Billy Budd at July 11, 2008 11:10 AM

I am afraid my parody of your friend hit too close to home, so since I won't play by your rules, you take your ball and go home

That sounds like an invitation to re-engage.

Billy, I was going to leave this thread alone because you didn't seem to want to talk about real issues — the issues you raised by reprinting the counterfeit letter from the fake soldier (BTW: As Cary noted, that's simply despicable. I can't believe you're not up in arms over someone misrepresenting themselves as a serviceman.)

But you simply want to scream and rant. We're somewhere around comment 15 of your Barleymash Roast post and you still haven't responded to a single point I made in responding to your Pitman post.

If you want to sit and throw childish insults back and forth, that's fine. That can be fun. But the Pitman post was about life and death. I thought since you were posting it in a blog instead of, say, a DIARY, you were encouraging discussion. But apparently not. It appears, from your reaction, that if people don't agree with you they must be New York-living, D&D-playing, gun-fearing momma's boys. That's cool. Think what you please. But every time you invite me back in by hurling an insult at me, I'll gladly step back in and throw one right back.

And I'll remind you, each and every time that you invite me back, that you STILL have not responded to a single point I made in my initial comments. My comments really pissed you off, but you have NOTHING to say in response. NOT ONE WORD. I knocked you down, and you're lying on the ground yelling insults up at me, but you've not made one bit of effort to get back up and defend yourself. or your choice to post that racist, unAmerican, fraudulent piece of propaganda.

So, to quote my favorite comic book character (yeah, you got me, I'm a comic-book loving nerd from New York!):

"…And STAY down!!!"

Posted by: at July 11, 2008 11:12 AM

Hey, Billy Budd — I just read your post about the values you believe the Liberals have destroyed. Thanks. That gives us something to talk about. But I'm not going to force you into a debate on your own turf. That would be just rude of me. So I'll take your list and write a response on MY blog, OK? And when it's done, Cary can let you know. You are then MORE than welcome to come over and engage in a discussion that doesn't clutter your dinosaur space with annoying visitors.


Posted by: at July 11, 2008 11:16 AM

I support it as if I wrote it myself, I already told you that. I would not change a thing.......

Posted by: Billy Budd at July 11, 2008 12:05 PM